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	<title>Comments on: How many frogs do we eat?</title>
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		<title>By: Crap environmental reporting &#171; ConservationBytes.com</title>
		<link>http://conservationbytes.com/2009/01/20/how-many-frogs-do-we-eat/#comment-3014</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Crap environmental reporting &#171; ConservationBytes.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] a very friendly American food journalist yesterday, I expected a reasonable report on the issue of frog consumption because, well, I explained many things to her as best I could. What was eventually published was [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a very friendly American food journalist yesterday, I expected a reasonable report on the issue of frog consumption because, well, I explained many things to her as best I could. What was eventually published was [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Lobo</title>
		<link>http://conservationbytes.com/2009/01/20/how-many-frogs-do-we-eat/#comment-2912</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aaron Lobo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I enjoyed this paper, but there&#039;s certainly a need for more local/regional studies. I come from Goa in India where frogs have been traditionally consumed for generations though the markets were small and rather non-existent.

However, now because of the booming tourist industry, the demand for frog legs   ( considered exotic nad  sold under the name -  jumping chicken) is commonly available in several restaurants in the state. Though illegal, the rampant harvest still continues and has now become indiscriminate  - capturing breeding individuals, gravid females and undersized individuals to meet the demand of the restaurants. Sadly there&#039;s no data going back in time, however attempting to obtain logs in the form of receipt books from restauranteurs (where scarcely possible) may help trace such temporal patterns.

Enjoy  reading your blog,
Regards,
Aaron]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed this paper, but there&#8217;s certainly a need for more local/regional studies. I come from Goa in India where frogs have been traditionally consumed for generations though the markets were small and rather non-existent.</p>
<p>However, now because of the booming tourist industry, the demand for frog legs   ( considered exotic nad  sold under the name &#8211;  jumping chicken) is commonly available in several restaurants in the state. Though illegal, the rampant harvest still continues and has now become indiscriminate  &#8211; capturing breeding individuals, gravid females and undersized individuals to meet the demand of the restaurants. Sadly there&#8217;s no data going back in time, however attempting to obtain logs in the form of receipt books from restauranteurs (where scarcely possible) may help trace such temporal patterns.</p>
<p>Enjoy  reading your blog,<br />
Regards,<br />
Aaron</p>
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		<title>By: Continuing saga of the frogs&#8217; legs trade &#171; ConservationBytes.com</title>
		<link>http://conservationbytes.com/2009/01/20/how-many-frogs-do-we-eat/#comment-2714</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Continuing saga of the frogs&#8217; legs trade &#171; ConservationBytes.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 02:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] come out online in Conservation Biology &#8211; Eating frogs to extinction (Warkentin et al.). I blogged about the paper then (one of ConservationBytes&#8217; most viewed posts) that described the magnitude of the global [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] come out online in Conservation Biology &#8211; Eating frogs to extinction (Warkentin et al.). I blogged about the paper then (one of ConservationBytes&#8217; most viewed posts) that described the magnitude of the global [...]</p>
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		<title>By: CJAB</title>
		<link>http://conservationbytes.com/2009/01/20/how-many-frogs-do-we-eat/#comment-2012</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CJAB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 03:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think this Ruslan Novitsky missed the point:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/02/27/2502741.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Scientist wants to fight financial crisis with frogs&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this Ruslan Novitsky missed the point:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/02/27/2502741.htm" rel="nofollow">Scientist wants to fight financial crisis with frogs</a></p>
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		<title>By: CJAB</title>
		<link>http://conservationbytes.com/2009/01/20/how-many-frogs-do-we-eat/#comment-1955</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CJAB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 05:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The paper &#039;&lt;a href=&quot;http://dx.doi.org/10.1111/j.1523-1739.2008.01165.x&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Eating frogs to extinction&lt;/a&gt;&#039; is now available online, or &lt;a href=&quot;mailto:cjabradshaw@gmail.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;email me here&lt;/a&gt; for a PDF reprint.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The paper &#8216;<a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1111/j.1523-1739.2008.01165.x" rel="nofollow">Eating frogs to extinction</a>&#8216; is now available online, or <a href="mailto:cjabradshaw@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">email me here</a> for a PDF reprint.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Russell</title>
		<link>http://conservationbytes.com/2009/01/20/how-many-frogs-do-we-eat/#comment-1949</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoff Russell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 10:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A) 6.7 billion people + moral acceptability of eating frogs =&gt; high demand,
B) ease of frog exploitation =&gt; policing impossible
C) A + B =&gt; extinction(s)

Wildlife is simply an unscalable food source.  Consider fishing, which is basically a hunting activity.  It only supplies 1% of global calories, mainly to the wealthy, many of whom have been sold on the heart health benefits of omega-3s (which are not supported by the only &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/bmj.38755.366331.2Fv1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;
extensive meta-analyses of the data&lt;/a&gt;).

A reasonable proportion of hunters/fishers don&#039;t have much respect for laws (or welfare), hence compliance is a huge issue.

Back when I attended duck shoots at Bool Lagoon in the 90s,  every time Freckled ducks showed up during shooting, they were shot. We picked them up regularly and could generally tell when a shooter had shot one ... any time a shooter made no effort to retrieve a duck which was clearly downed, there was a good chance that it wasn&#039;t a legal kill, perhaps a Freckled, perhaps a coot (the old hunters call them &quot;eye openers&quot; --- think about it), perhaps he already had a bag (unusual, but occasionally this happened).

A nice study in the late 80s in Canada (Nieman et al, Monitoring hunter performance in prairie Canada&#039;, Transactions of the 52nd North American Wildlife and Natural Resources Conference 52,233--245.) observed shooters from hidden hides, then interviewed them. The result: hunter estimates of cripple rates were low, and about 12% of hunters broke licence conditions.  

Read some of the articles on the following site about illegal fishing: 

http://www.aic.gov.au/topics/environment/fishing.html

Illegal fishers are resourceful and cunning and they will satisfy a demand where it exists and the money makes the risks worth taking. 

Why does the kangaroo industry need such a fancy system of tags to prevent (or attempt to prevent) illegal activities?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A) 6.7 billion people + moral acceptability of eating frogs =&gt; high demand,<br />
B) ease of frog exploitation =&gt; policing impossible<br />
C) A + B =&gt; extinction(s)</p>
<p>Wildlife is simply an unscalable food source.  Consider fishing, which is basically a hunting activity.  It only supplies 1% of global calories, mainly to the wealthy, many of whom have been sold on the heart health benefits of omega-3s (which are not supported by the only <a href="http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/bmj.38755.366331.2Fv1" rel="nofollow"><br />
extensive meta-analyses of the data</a>).</p>
<p>A reasonable proportion of hunters/fishers don&#8217;t have much respect for laws (or welfare), hence compliance is a huge issue.</p>
<p>Back when I attended duck shoots at Bool Lagoon in the 90s,  every time Freckled ducks showed up during shooting, they were shot. We picked them up regularly and could generally tell when a shooter had shot one &#8230; any time a shooter made no effort to retrieve a duck which was clearly downed, there was a good chance that it wasn&#8217;t a legal kill, perhaps a Freckled, perhaps a coot (the old hunters call them &#8220;eye openers&#8221; &#8212; think about it), perhaps he already had a bag (unusual, but occasionally this happened).</p>
<p>A nice study in the late 80s in Canada (Nieman et al, Monitoring hunter performance in prairie Canada&#8217;, Transactions of the 52nd North American Wildlife and Natural Resources Conference 52,233&#8211;245.) observed shooters from hidden hides, then interviewed them. The result: hunter estimates of cripple rates were low, and about 12% of hunters broke licence conditions.  </p>
<p>Read some of the articles on the following site about illegal fishing: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.aic.gov.au/topics/environment/fishing.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.aic.gov.au/topics/environment/fishing.html</a></p>
<p>Illegal fishers are resourceful and cunning and they will satisfy a demand where it exists and the money makes the risks worth taking. </p>
<p>Why does the kangaroo industry need such a fancy system of tags to prevent (or attempt to prevent) illegal activities?</p>
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		<title>By: CJAB</title>
		<link>http://conservationbytes.com/2009/01/20/how-many-frogs-do-we-eat/#comment-1935</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CJAB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve just confirmed that the paper &lt;em&gt;Eating frogs to extinction&lt;/em&gt; will be available online on 9 February 2009. This &lt;a href=&quot;http://dx.doi.org/10.1111/j.1523-1739.2008.01165.x&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt; should take you there when it becomes active next week.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just confirmed that the paper <em>Eating frogs to extinction</em> will be available online on 9 February 2009. This <a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1111/j.1523-1739.2008.01165.x" rel="nofollow">link</a> should take you there when it becomes active next week.</p>
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		<title>By: Jorge</title>
		<link>http://conservationbytes.com/2009/01/20/how-many-frogs-do-we-eat/#comment-1916</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jorge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good to see that there is much more interest, it is about time we consider other factors that, like you said have been under the radar! Thanks for linking me to this blog, from now on I will be a frequent visitor. 
Mucho gusto,
Jorge]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to see that there is much more interest, it is about time we consider other factors that, like you said have been under the radar! Thanks for linking me to this blog, from now on I will be a frequent visitor.<br />
Mucho gusto,<br />
Jorge</p>
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		<title>By: Corey Bradshaw</title>
		<link>http://conservationbytes.com/2009/01/20/how-many-frogs-do-we-eat/#comment-1913</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Corey Bradshaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 02:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, but not doing much with crocs these days.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, but not doing much with crocs these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Ellis</title>
		<link>http://conservationbytes.com/2009/01/20/how-many-frogs-do-we-eat/#comment-1902</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neil Ellis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh and do you want any help with the Crocs?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and do you want any help with the Crocs?</p>
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