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	<title>Comments on: The invisible hand of ecosystem services</title>
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		<title>By: Why do conservation scientists get out of bed? &#171; ConservationBytes.com</title>
		<link>http://conservationbytes.com/2012/08/04/the-invisible-hand-of-ecosystem-services/#comment-16487</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Why do conservation scientists get out of bed? &#171; ConservationBytes.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 13:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] risk severely duping the public and engendering even more apathy. As I&#8217;ve mentioned before, people tend not to value the invaluable until it&#8217;s no longer there (or at least, on the way ou.... I&#8217;m afraid it IS that bad, and probably worse than most (conservation scientists included) [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] risk severely duping the public and engendering even more apathy. As I&#8217;ve mentioned before, people tend not to value the invaluable until it&#8217;s no longer there (or at least, on the way ou&#8230;. I&#8217;m afraid it IS that bad, and probably worse than most (conservation scientists included) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Martin</title>
		<link>http://conservationbytes.com/2012/08/04/the-invisible-hand-of-ecosystem-services/#comment-16364</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Philip Martin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 11:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Corey,

Regarding the format of the conference, I tend to agree. I have been to ESP things in the past and was at their conference in Wageningen, Netherlands last year. I&#039;m not convinced that they know hoe to run a conference. It was all fairly chaotic and a bit of a mess. Following that I have sworn not to go to another of their conferences until I hear they have sorted their stuff out.

5 minutes per talk is pretty insane. I&#039;m not against speed presentations like they do at SCB events but having all talks that length? Nuts.

On the science side of things I completely agree with you that we need to get the biophysical stuff right with ES. So much of the ES stuff relies on large scale spatial modelling but I&#039;d be interested to see people do a bit more field based stuff quantifying ES and relating their provision to land-use changes etc. There is a lot of need for empirical work so we can get away from the current vague, hand-wavy nature of ES science as it currently is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corey,</p>
<p>Regarding the format of the conference, I tend to agree. I have been to ESP things in the past and was at their conference in Wageningen, Netherlands last year. I&#8217;m not convinced that they know hoe to run a conference. It was all fairly chaotic and a bit of a mess. Following that I have sworn not to go to another of their conferences until I hear they have sorted their stuff out.</p>
<p>5 minutes per talk is pretty insane. I&#8217;m not against speed presentations like they do at SCB events but having all talks that length? Nuts.</p>
<p>On the science side of things I completely agree with you that we need to get the biophysical stuff right with ES. So much of the ES stuff relies on large scale spatial modelling but I&#8217;d be interested to see people do a bit more field based stuff quantifying ES and relating their provision to land-use changes etc. There is a lot of need for empirical work so we can get away from the current vague, hand-wavy nature of ES science as it currently is.</p>
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		<title>By: You&#8217;re not even remotely concerned enough &#171; ConservationBytes.com</title>
		<link>http://conservationbytes.com/2012/08/04/the-invisible-hand-of-ecosystem-services/#comment-16085</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[You&#8217;re not even remotely concerned enough &#171; ConservationBytes.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 06:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] (but I won&#8217;t deal with that here). I also attended an interesting, if not slightly confusing, conference on ecosystem services. And finally, I had the pleasure of meeting Tony Barnosky in person, and we decided that we should [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] (but I won&#8217;t deal with that here). I also attended an interesting, if not slightly confusing, conference on ecosystem services. And finally, I had the pleasure of meeting Tony Barnosky in person, and we decided that we should [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tiborhartel</title>
		<link>http://conservationbytes.com/2012/08/04/the-invisible-hand-of-ecosystem-services/#comment-15711</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2012 20:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i recently wrote a short entry about the terminology - good to see that you touched this also. interesting to see how the &#039;ecosystem service&#039; is penetrating in different languages (i know hungarian, romanian). it may have a conotation of ecosystems in our service. the healthy order of things should be different i guess.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i recently wrote a short entry about the terminology &#8211; good to see that you touched this also. interesting to see how the &#8216;ecosystem service&#8217; is penetrating in different languages (i know hungarian, romanian). it may have a conotation of ecosystems in our service. the healthy order of things should be different i guess.</p>
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		<title>By: tiborhartel</title>
		<link>http://conservationbytes.com/2012/08/04/the-invisible-hand-of-ecosystem-services/#comment-15710</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tiborhartel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2012 20:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I also think it is a great post. I think more and more about the possibility to &#039;elegantly&#039; avoid this concept and do conservation biology without argumenting that the ecosystems are making services for us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also think it is a great post. I think more and more about the possibility to &#8216;elegantly&#8217; avoid this concept and do conservation biology without argumenting that the ecosystems are making services for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Miles</title>
		<link>http://conservationbytes.com/2012/08/04/the-invisible-hand-of-ecosystem-services/#comment-15583</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Miles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2012 00:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Corey

Thanks for the report. Re the naming dilemma, I agree completely.  I even struggle with &#039;biodiversity conservation&#039; (BC) as a term.  Look at it from a young child&#039;s point of view.  Terms like that are enough to turn any student away from pursuing a career in conservation biology.  I still don&#039;t see what was wrong with &#039;flora and fauna&#039; or even &#039;wildlife conservation&#039;.  At least the average person on the street knows what that means. I know that biodiversity also includes those important little soil microbes and so on.  But if you talk about BC (in a national park context for instance) that also, incidentally, includes Cane Toads, cats, weeds and the flora in the guts of the tourists!  So I would argue that &#039;BC&#039; is just as clumsy as &#039;wildlife conservation&#039; but without the majority of the population knowing what it means.  I read somewhere that when asked - some people in the street thought that BC was a new kind of washing powder.  And a science teacher in Tasmania deleted the term and replaced it with &quot;Big Nature&quot; so that his students could get their heads around it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corey</p>
<p>Thanks for the report. Re the naming dilemma, I agree completely.  I even struggle with &#8216;biodiversity conservation&#8217; (BC) as a term.  Look at it from a young child&#8217;s point of view.  Terms like that are enough to turn any student away from pursuing a career in conservation biology.  I still don&#8217;t see what was wrong with &#8216;flora and fauna&#8217; or even &#8216;wildlife conservation&#8217;.  At least the average person on the street knows what that means. I know that biodiversity also includes those important little soil microbes and so on.  But if you talk about BC (in a national park context for instance) that also, incidentally, includes Cane Toads, cats, weeds and the flora in the guts of the tourists!  So I would argue that &#8216;BC&#8217; is just as clumsy as &#8216;wildlife conservation&#8217; but without the majority of the population knowing what it means.  I read somewhere that when asked &#8211; some people in the street thought that BC was a new kind of washing powder.  And a science teacher in Tasmania deleted the term and replaced it with &#8220;Big Nature&#8221; so that his students could get their heads around it!</p>
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